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Poster: He Live's Date: Oct 14, 2007 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Quality NOT Quantity...what makes a band?

i think jerry was spot on...and over time the doors' music has held up less well than almost all of their contemporaries. they were a second tier pop band that come along at just the right time and scored big with some big hits. they sound so dated now. i liked "the end" and stuff when i was twelve. that's about need to revisit.

as far as i know jerry never made any value judgments about number of pieces, he cites the cream etc. as successful 3 pieces. i think his comments are very specific to the doors. certainly he would view the white stripes on their own merits...obviously, the stripes have the specific elements garcia found wanting in the doors.

(For those of you that haven't read the interview here's a bit.)

JERRY GARCIA, in an interview with blair jackson and david gans, june 11, 1981:

"I never like the doors, found them terribly offensive....when we played with them. It was back when Morrison was just a pure Mick Jagger copy. Not vocally, but his moves....He use to move around a lot, before he earned a reputation as a poet, which I thought was really not deserved. Rimbaud was great at eighteen, nineteen, and Verlaine. Those guys were great. Fuckin' Jim Morrison wasn't great, I'm sorry...

I could never see what it was about the Doors. They had a very brittle sound live, a three piece band with no bass...It sounded very brittle and sharp-edged to me, not something i enjoyed listening to.

I kind of appreciated some of the stuff that they did later, and i appreciated a certain amount of Morrison's shear craziness, that's always a good trait in rock and roll...

I was never really attracted to their music at all, so I couldn't really find anything to like about them. When we played with them I think I watched the first tune or two and then I went upstairs and fooled with my guitar. There was nothing there that I wanted to know about. He was so patently an imitation of Mick Jagger it was offensive. To me, when the Doors played San Francisco, it typified Los Angeles coming to San Francisco, which I equated with having the right look but zero substance....I've always looked for something else in music and whatever it was, they didn't have it. They didn't have anything of blues for example, in their sound or feel...."

Jackson: "Did you sense the negativity?"

Garcia: "No, not really. All i sensed was sham. As far as I was concerned it was just surface and no substance. Then we played with them after the "Light My Fire" thing when they were headliners. We opened for them in Santa Barbara some years later, when they were a little more powerful. Their sound had gotten better...but it was still thin. It wasn't a successful version of a three piece band like the Who or Jimi Hendrix, or Cream or any other guitar power-trio-type three piece bands. It's an interesting concept - a three-piece that's keyboard, guitar and drums - but it was missing some element that I felt was vital....When they were the headliners, it was kind of embarassing for us to open for them, 'cause we sort of blew them off the stand with just sheer power. What we had wth the double drums and Phil's bass playing -- it got somewhere, and when they played there was anticlimax kind of feeling to it, even with their hits."

This post was modified by He Live's on 2007-10-14 19:10:13 i see mcghan already posted the same shit...oh well!

This post was modified by He Live's on 2007-10-14 19:18:33